Talk:Indian Reservation (The Lament of the Cherokee Reservation Indian)
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Indian Outlaw by Tim McGraw ends with the same words as the chorus of this song. -- 22:11, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Controversy
[edit]As a Cherokee, I know that a lot of people liked this song, as performed by Paul Revere and the Raiders, but at the same time, a lot of people did not. The lyrics are deeply meaningful, but not historically accurate. Also, while helping to spread the word about what happened to the public at large, who remain chiefly uninformed about history, it did nothing to help the Cherokee tribe itself. The band did not get the permission or the blessing of the tribe before writing, recording and performing this song, and the tribe got none of the money the band received for their success with it. I would like to see some word of this controversy in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.59.90 (talk)
- Why not write it yourself? -50.135.254.220 (talk) 22:23, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- The songwriter (Loudermilk) admitted the story was a fabrication, and we have that content included now and sourced. We also have actual Cherokee sources in the article now about some of the many inaccuracies and offensive content. Apparently Loudermilk's fabrications about this song varied over time, and depending on his audience. In addition to what is currently in the article, I am also finding some anecdotal reports online that Loudermilk initially told the version of the tall tale that he was "forced" to write the song, either by being held captive or even being "tortured". But I can't find a version that definitively sources these comments to him. Only various comments that people recall hearing something of the sort on Kasey Kasem's radio show. If we can find a WP:V, and preferably WP:RS source to verify that Loudermilk said this, we can put that version of his lie in as well. BUT, we must continue to make it absolutely clear what Loudermilk himself admitted - that he fabricated all of this. The IP that attempted to add this version of the backstory did not include any sourcing, and also removed the crucial point that it was an admitted lie on Loudermilk's part. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 23:32, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
As a son of the American Revolution, I never received a nickel for Yankee Doodle Dandy, and nobody asked for my blessing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.127.178.114 (talk) 16:48, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Don Farnon cover
[edit]Listing 1970 as the year of this version is probably incorrect - it is listed as #17 on the WLS89 Hit Parade for Sept 30, 1968. Geira (talk) 09:50, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Who played drums on the Paul Revere & the Raiders version?
[edit]The article Hal Blaine says that he did. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 06:46, 13 November 2018 (UTC) There are two drummers on the record; Hal Blaine is one; Joe Correro, Jr. or Michael "Smitty" Smith would be the other one.
Personnel
[edit]About who played on "Indian Reservation", we can assure that Raiders vocalist Mark Lindsay and session drummer Hal Blaine were present in the record. But there are discrepancies about the rest of the personnel, for example, in Lindsay's Wikipedia article, it is said that the only Raiders that showed up to record "Indian Reservation" were Lindsay and Paul Revere, with instrumental backing by the Wrecking Crew, but Lindsay said in a interview with Stereo Embers magazine,[1] that he cut it alone with session musicians. It could be one of the two if there wasn't the fact that "Indian Reservation"'s article states that Lindsay, Revere and other two Raiders members (Freddy Weller and Keith Allison) played on the record, with session musicians Blaine and Carol Kaye. I searched for many websites about it, but I would like to see more experienced editors than me verifying these accounts and concluding if any of these are true (maybe with the exact personnel of "Lindsay alone" or "Lindsay with Revere" thoughts) or any other could be considered — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lovemike5 (talk • contribs) 01:40, 5 April 2021 (UTC) Mark Lindsay has been telling the story for decades that "Indian Reservation" is actually his own solo recording, backed by the Wrecking Crew, without a Raider in sight. Against these claims, though, we must look at Paul Revere's recollections, which is that the band was in the middle of recording an album, when Columbia A&R man Jack Gold brought them the song. The Raiders at this time were Mark, Paul, Freddy Weller, and Keith Allison. Joe Correro, Jr., the drummer, had left a few months earlier, and Michael "Smitty" Smith had returned as drummer, but it's unclear if he played on this session. There's been controversy for years about who actually played on Raiders recordings, with the Wrecking Crew often being mentioned. The best I can ascertain is that the Wrecking Crew did supplement the band on some songs, and "Indian Reservation" may be one of them.
- This is currently deeply confusing; the main page says that the AFM contract says the Wrecking Crew and Lindsay, plus Allison, Weller, and Revere played (as well as "The Ron Hicklin Singers"). But the AFM contract *doesn't say this*, it only lists the members of the Wrecking Crew under the leadership of Arthur "Artie" Butler. It wasn't until I hit this talk page that I saw the justification (such as it is) for including the other folks (after wandering here looking for citations on someone claiming off-site that no Raiders but Lindsay worked on the track). I guess I'm going to add citation needed tags to the respective persons given we're explicitly saying the AFM contract says this when it very much doesn't. I have no good answers for whether it is or isn't true, but hopefully someone can add citations or remove who has some further information… FangsFirst (talk) 03:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)